Kat Allison ([info]katallison) wrote,

So I was driving through the lovely luminous evening, doing errands, zooming down the highway and punching through radio stations, and then I hit one that was playing "All for You," a song that always makes me totally happy because it's inextricably associated in my head with Hth's Ray/Ray "What It Is I See in You" series of stories.

(Parenthetically, one of the joys of fandom is the way that it turns certain songs into happiness-triggers, usually because they're linked in my mind to vids I love. I had a hard time once explaining to P. why I was grinning and bopping along to Billy Joel's "Only the Good Die Young," because I couldn't say "It's Sonny! and Vinnie! and their love is so sweet and violent and fucked-up!")

Anyway -- so I was zooming along, full of joy and bouncing in my seat, when it struck me that my delight was only partly because of how very, very much I love those stories of Hth's, and how well that song fits those stories, with all its snarky rueful heartfelt rough-tenderness; it was even more because Ray/Ray, as a -- what would you call it, subset? genre? of dS fanfiction represents to me a kind of apotheosis of what fanfiction *can* do, a transcendence of what we're given in canon.

Because, really, canonically, Ray/Ray? As [info]thermidor says in her [info]ship_manifesto entry:
Now that we’ve met the guys, let’s discuss the mountain of evidence in canon for this pairing.

::sound of crickets chirping::

And, yeah, but the deal is -- it's one thing to write great slash for, oh, let's say Blair and Jim, who it is blindingly obvious are not only *so doing it* but also *so married* into the bargain. I mean, great fun, but it's kind of like being the first person in the Alaska gold fields, where the nuggets are just lying there on the ground waiting to be picked up. Whereas something like Ray/Ray--you gotta *dig*.

And what the Ray/Ray slashers are digging for isn't those little specks of canonical subtext--it's the core elements of who *this* guy is and who *that* guy is, and then seeing the ways that the cores of those two guys implausibly, uncanonically, illogically ... *fit*. Ray/Ray is a testament to the ability of slashers to create complicated, nuanced, gritty and convincing relationships by seeing down to the guts of characters, and building up from there with their imagination and their intuition for what makes *these two* work together. People sometimes diss fanfiction for not being "art" because it's "not original," but by that standard, Ray/Ray? Is art.

(And I say this as someone who's a really hard sell for Vecchio in any kind of a same-sex relationship -- which is not because I don't like Vecchio [I *so dig* the guy], or because [as some people say] I don't want to imagine Vecchio having sex or think he's unsexy, but rather because if there's any single character anywhere in media fandom who pings me as totally 100% unswervingly heterosexual, it's Ray Vecchio.)

(And you know, I *totally* buy that Vecchio loves Fraser, and I'd go further and say he's in love with Fraser, and yet the fact that I do not see this love as ever heading anywhere between the percales doesn't dim it an iota; rather, it lends a certain sorrowing thwarted rueful lustre that you just don't get in your conventional happily-ever-after story.)

(Which tempts me to swerve off still further into my long-procrastinated essay on how *stupid* it is for people to rant, as they sometimes do, about "These darn slashers! They insist on seeing sex everywhere! And it completely wrecks the glorious innocent purity of pure untainted *male friendship*!" because, dude, au contraire, it makes that pure male friendship all the more glorious for its *rarity.* Heh. But I digress.)

Anyway, where the hell was I? So I have all due respect for "original" fiction writers, the ones who create their own characters and tell their stories. But I also have all the respect in the world for all of us here in fandom, the alchemists of popular culture, who take straw and lead and air and, sometimes, turn it into gold. The kind you've got to dig for, but damn, it shines beautifully.

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[info]aerye

September 27 2004, 18:30:53 UTC 7 years ago

Lord, I'm loving you right now--my wonderful, wine-sodden sistah.

::Susan hooks pinky fingers with you and dances to the sweet, sweet music::

[info]katallison

September 27 2004, 19:21:47 UTC 7 years ago

*twirling you around and, in attempting a dip, trying not to drop you*

*Oooops.*

Really, I wanted to work you into the original entry as someone who takes the implicit stuff in Ray/Ray to whole new levels, except I was writing too fast and got sloppy, but .. well, I'll say it here. And ::smoootch::

[info]byob_kenobi

September 27 2004, 18:39:04 UTC 7 years ago

You've hit perfectly on what I love about fandom ...not just for the Ray/Ray, but for the sheer brillaince of the people in it.

Yay, media sociologists!

[info]katallison

September 27 2004, 19:22:26 UTC 7 years ago

Yay! 'Cause we are SO. DAMN. SMRT. Y'know? *g*

And thanks!

[info]umbo

September 27 2004, 18:45:39 UTC 7 years ago

You are shining beautifully in your passion and enthusiasm, and that's one of the things *I* really love about fandom!

*smootch*

[info]katallison

September 27 2004, 19:22:58 UTC 7 years ago

{{hugging you with great enthusiasm}}

Thanks, sweetie!

[info]kormantic

September 27 2004, 19:26:16 UTC 7 years ago

Rayyyyyy(s)...

Dreamy.

Oh Kat, how can it be possible to love you still more!

Mmmm. Rays.

[info]katallison

September 27 2004, 19:33:57 UTC 7 years ago

Re: Rayyyyyy(s)...

Hey!!! *tackle-hugging you*

I am so very, very, very glad that the falling trees did not come down on your head, and it's so wonderful to see you back here!

(Oddly enough, even though I am a kajillion miles from any hurricanes, last Friday we had a thunderstorm with straight-line winds that uprooted two trees, right in front of the building where I work. Oh, the weather gods, they are dark and whimsical...)

And yes. Rays. Mmmmmmm.

[info]thete1

September 27 2004, 19:30:40 UTC 7 years ago

You know, the first story I (co)wrote, the first thing *ever* I did in fandom?

Krycek/Pendrell.

My current OTP of choice involves the current Robin (Tim) and the Robin who DIED (Jason) before Tim was ever introduced.

This sort of fannishness, this shameless wankery with the edge of *faith*, this core of obsessiveness within the pounding heart of obsession itself... yeah. It's what I live for.

And it's often so hard to explain, so... *flails*

How these pairings of unpossible and RANDOM aren't really random at all, the way *we* (try to) do it. Because it's all about digging deep within the canon, about *knowing* the canon well enough to subvert it for the sake of the passions we just *know* would exist if only The Powers That Be had seen what *we* saw in their creations.

it's the core elements of who *this* guy is and who *that* guy is, and then seeing the ways that the cores of those two guys implausibly, uncanonically, illogically ... *fit*.

That. Right there. *loves you*

[info]glossing

September 27 2004, 19:31:41 UTC 7 years ago

here via [info]metablog

seeing down to the guts of characters, and building up from there with their imagination and their intuition for what makes *these two* work together
Alchemy and character exploration: You've *nailed* what drew me to fanfic, particularly slash, from original fic in the first place: Stretching one's perspective, really getting into two characters, and then transforming them further by developing a relationship.

I'm coming from the Jossverse mainly, and I was...disappointed? Sad that many of the [info]ship_manifesto essays for slash and other UC pairings sought mightily to find *any* hint of canon "evidence" or mangled subtext. I simply didn't understand why: Why the crowing about canonicity? What superiority does it have?

I *know* why, I just found it oddly disturbing and alienating to watch fellow slashers/UC shippers contort themselves so much in search of canon support for the *relationship*, rather than for the members of the relationship.

All of this is a very roundabout and *long* way of thanking you for such a generous and lovely essay.

[info]idyll

September 27 2004, 20:21:38 UTC 7 years ago

sought mightily to find *any* hint of canon "evidence" or mangled subtext.

Hey! I was quite happy to fly my "No Text and Proud" banner at ship manifesto. *g* Though, I admit that having canonical evidence--or, you know, more than negligible screen time--would have helped my non-essayist self a whole lot.

[info]estepheia

7 years ago

[info]musesfool

September 27 2004, 19:36:39 UTC 7 years ago

the alchemists of popular culture, who take straw and lead and air and, sometimes, turn it into gold. The kind you've got to dig for, but damn, it shines beautifully.

I love this metaphor.

[info]lisan

September 27 2004, 19:44:02 UTC 7 years ago

Beautifully said. :)

[info]lynnmonster

September 27 2004, 19:46:47 UTC 7 years ago

::loves you::

Yeah, one of the many things I love about fanfiction is that it's about character, for me -- the characters I love, what this one would be like with that one, what they'd be like in a totally different setting, etc...

[info]idyll

September 27 2004, 20:17:49 UTC 7 years ago

Via [info]metablog.

You know, thank you for putting into words something that I've struggled explaining myself.

I've fallen hard for slashing two characters in Jossverse who had maybe a total of five minutes screen time over the course of five seasons. It's not about teh pretteh, because I had to work my ass off to find *something* that would actually connect these two in any kind of way. To maintain it and expand it to make a series viable. That did indeed involve getting into each of their heads and breaking free of the belief that canonical text/subtext is the be-all end-all of, well, fanfic.

And I'm damn proud of the fact that I've made a few people buy into it along with me.

[info]arallara

September 27 2004, 20:30:26 UTC 7 years ago

You are so, so right on about all this, my friend. My foray into the Harry Potter fandom has made me think similar things recently because after I ran out of decent stories in the best friend pairing that I immediately saw and gravitated toward in the source material, I began reading Harry/Draco. Which I don't see much of in canon at all, and what I do see doesn't make me like the pairing. But I've read some stories that are fascinating and emotionally compelling and sexy and still drawing from canon...just extrapolating a little further or with less raw material than some of the other pairings in the fandom. And when it's done well, it makes me think, cool--fandom is so creative and cool.

[info]cathexys

September 27 2004, 20:48:56 UTC 7 years ago

that was amazing! you really nailed that aspect of slashing two characters where the canon evidence is not in the appeal of their on-screen *relation* as much as in the appeal of each individual character on-screen. So, in a sense they can still be canonical (and that's how we judge IC, don't we?)...only rather than extrapolating from their interaction, we extrapolate that interaction from other things...

(and i'm not trying to deny the originality claim you make...i just think along those lines you might sctually be able to make that claim for all of ff really...)

[info]minim_calibre

September 27 2004, 21:55:54 UTC 7 years ago

Oh, yes and yes!

For me, with characters who have little-or-no textual interaction, it's like playing matchmaker, but without the pesky social awkwardness if it doesn't work out. You have these two lovely lads you know, and you can just *see* how they might work out together, and then you just *have* to pair them up. It's work, but it's an awful lot of fun, and rewarding as all heck when it turns out well.

(Not that I don't still adore the guys who are Very, Very, VERY married, like Jim and Blair, Wes and Gunn, and Batman and Superman.)

[info]barkley

September 27 2004, 22:03:46 UTC 7 years ago

(And you know, I *totally* buy that Vecchio loves Fraser, and I'd go further and say he's in love with Fraser, and yet the fact that I do not see this love as ever heading anywhere between the percales doesn't dim it an iota; rather, it lends a certain sorrowing thwarted rueful lustre that you just don't get in your conventional happily-ever-after story.)

Not to go off on a tangent, but I was watching Burning Down the House last night and I almost cried at all the feeling of love that Ray has for Fraser in it. I was sad for what was happening, but I was just filled with the love, and that, well, that was kind of happy.

[info]dodyskin

September 28 2004, 02:50:20 UTC 7 years ago

Here via [info]metablog and just wanted to say, 'hear hear'.

Bravo etc.

[info]brooklinegirl

September 28 2004, 05:53:31 UTC 7 years ago

oh my lord, how much do I love you? Because, yes, and further, yay, and oh! Great song! And oh! Great observations! And oh! Am totally suffused with Ray/Ray love right now.

So.

*hearts on you bigtime*

[info]ranalore

September 28 2004, 09:29:38 UTC 7 years ago

I have been trying to find these exact words since I first discovered I really and sincerely believe in Krycek/Methos as an OTP. Thank you. Just. Thank you.

::adds to memories::

[info]kittygoslingp

September 28 2004, 17:03:12 UTC 7 years ago

The ladies coming before me have said it all but I just had to throw my support behind your post and say here, here. Someone who can make Ray/Ray convincing to me has to work much harder than for Ray/Fraser but sometimes the work and effort they put in delving down deep actually produces something really out of the ordinary.

[info]kittygoslingp

September 28 2004, 17:04:49 UTC 7 years ago

Or that would even be "hear, hear".

[info]profshallowness

September 29 2004, 03:58:50 UTC 7 years ago

Came via [info]metablog. Thank you for the great articulation of why UC ships work in fanfic, it came at a very useful time.

[info]wisdomeagle

October 5 2004, 15:21:52 UTC 7 years ago

OT icon love

Is that... that is... Dark Angel! ::boggles at the presence of someone else who has seen DA::

Er, uh, yah. Hello.

[info]jenboo

September 30 2004, 12:49:28 UTC 7 years ago

Whereas something like Ray/Ray--you gotta *dig*.

YES! Which is why it's so much fun to write. Because in their histories there is enough to grab on to that makes you believe that they could make it together. Add to that the spark of testosterone in CotW and there's the makings of a messed up, complicated, layered and possibly beautiful partnership.

This is a fabulous essay, but LOVED this part:
But I also have all the respect in the world for all of us here in fandom, the alchemists of popular culture, who take straw and lead and air and, sometimes, turn it into gold. The kind you've got to dig for, but damn, it shines beautifully.

I'm in love with your brain. That is such a gorgeous statement. We are alchemists of popular culture. Dude. :o)

[info]slashpile

February 26 2005, 17:18:33 UTC 7 years ago

from [info]kindkit, via [info]metafandom

I know this is forever after the fact, but this is a great post.

I do not see this love as ever heading anywhere between the percales

A non-inflammatory shipper comment? And funny! My list of public embarrassment triggers continues to grow. At some point, it's going to be too much of a hassle to stay in the closet.

[info]dragonscholar

August 22 2005, 02:24:58 UTC 6 years ago

Here via [info]fanthropology. Interesting essay, and I SALUTE your term "alchemists of popular culture," a fascinating metaphor.

[info]slashfairy

May 1 2007, 02:43:58 UTC 5 years ago

the alchemists of popular culture, who take straw and lead and air and, sometimes, turn it into gold. The kind you've got to dig for, but damn, it shines beautifully.

I too (here from [info]metafandom one way or another) say, you've hit it, right there.

blessings on your head.
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